1 00:00:32,060 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:38,069 --> 00:00:34,950 now you are electrifying hosts of 3 00:00:42,110 --> 00:00:38,079 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 4 00:00:49,550 --> 00:00:47,210 oh I think this is the third time we've 5 00:00:53,180 --> 00:00:49,560 been out here to Pine Bush in the Hudson 6 00:00:54,710 --> 00:00:53,190 Valley looking for you of OHS we've been 7 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:54,720 out here for a couple of hours we 8 00:00:59,180 --> 00:00:56,640 haven't seen anything and I need even 9 00:01:02,299 --> 00:00:59,190 consider would come close to a UFO Tim 10 00:01:04,969 --> 00:01:02,309 why are you blind we've had at least 11 00:01:07,370 --> 00:01:04,979 three craft come overhead didn't you see 12 00:01:09,859 --> 00:01:07,380 them with their landing lights come on 13 00:01:12,109 --> 00:01:09,869 those weren't UFOs they were just 14 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:12,119 commercial planes coming in for a 15 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:15,210 landing at some Airport nearby 16 00:01:20,810 --> 00:01:18,690 Jesus you sure are gullible those planes 17 00:01:22,999 --> 00:01:20,820 as you call them they're definitely 18 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:23,009 spaceships they've just learned to 19 00:01:27,889 --> 00:01:25,530 disguise themselves so they can keep a 20 00:01:31,100 --> 00:01:27,899 low profile and go about their appointed 21 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:31,110 tasks without interruption they're 22 00:01:35,630 --> 00:01:33,210 keeping themselves camouflaged so they 23 00:01:39,380 --> 00:01:35,640 won't be recognized for what they truly 24 00:01:41,150 --> 00:01:39,390 are yeah pretty soon you're gonna tell 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:41,160 me and they're gonna be able to change 26 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:43,890 shape as well well you're getting it now 27 00:01:49,850 --> 00:01:46,890 huh I guess yeah yeah but our guest 28 00:01:54,770 --> 00:01:49,860 tonight can fill us in on the details as 29 00:01:57,169 --> 00:01:54,780 to who what where and why well okay then 30 00:02:01,070 --> 00:01:57,179 in the meantime I say let's get back to 31 00:02:06,130 --> 00:02:01,080 the KCUR studios before one of those 32 00:02:09,710 --> 00:02:06,140 shape-shifting UFOs lands on our head 33 00:02:11,660 --> 00:02:09,720 okay Tim and by the way this show is 34 00:02:14,510 --> 00:02:11,670 dedicated to the late 35 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:14,520 Ellen Crystal without her there would be 36 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:19,080 no pine bush probably well there'd be a 37 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:21,450 pine bush there just wouldn't be yes the 38 00:02:27,380 --> 00:02:24,510 pie yes that's right there would be 39 00:02:30,949 --> 00:02:27,390 there would be no MIB sitting in the 40 00:02:34,339 --> 00:02:30,959 back of the police car on the Pine Bush 41 00:02:37,550 --> 00:02:34,349 festival weekend and there would be no 42 00:02:40,150 --> 00:02:37,560 strange green aliens walking the the 43 00:02:44,420 --> 00:02:40,160 street and no lectures by Peter Robbins 44 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:44,430 that's that's for sure but I I'm really 45 00:02:48,559 --> 00:02:46,920 excited about our program tonight 46 00:02:51,890 --> 00:02:48,569 because we've got a wonderful guest and 47 00:02:54,860 --> 00:02:51,900 it's a subject that I'm fascinated with 48 00:02:55,970 --> 00:02:54,870 in fact I've just learned and doesn't 49 00:02:59,570 --> 00:02:55,980 and some of my own 50 00:03:01,759 --> 00:02:59,580 research about morphing UFOs in fact we 51 00:03:06,140 --> 00:03:01,769 have a book out well I've got two great 52 00:03:08,809 --> 00:03:06,150 books in my lap one is by Bruce and and 53 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:08,819 one that we put together and we're going 54 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:10,620 to be talking about both of them ours is 55 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:14,160 DejaVu UFOs over and over again it's 56 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:16,620 about shapeshifters skinwalkers alien 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:19,560 portals and gateways to other realms and 58 00:03:26,979 --> 00:03:23,250 then a little bit more scientific event 59 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:26,989 is a mr. corn after dr. coordinates book 60 00:03:32,990 --> 00:03:29,730 unconventional aerial phenomena in the 61 00:03:36,949 --> 00:03:33,000 Hudson and walking River Valley of New 62 00:03:39,140 --> 00:03:36,959 York so it's it's going to be a good one 63 00:03:41,449 --> 00:03:39,150 and we should get started by you giving 64 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:41,459 us a little bit of background info on 65 00:03:45,949 --> 00:03:43,140 our guest tonight 66 00:03:49,550 --> 00:03:45,959 well be my pleasure well once again I'm 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:49,560 very happy that dr. Bruce cornet has has 68 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:51,930 agreed to join us on exploring the 69 00:03:54,759 --> 00:03:52,470 bizarre 70 00:03:57,559 --> 00:03:54,769 now dr. cornet conducted extensive 71 00:04:00,620 --> 00:03:57,569 investigations concerning the Pine Bush 72 00:04:03,289 --> 00:04:00,630 New York UFO sightings during his 73 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:03,299 investigations dr. cornet had his own 74 00:04:09,979 --> 00:04:05,609 personal experiences which he obtained 75 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:09,989 video and audio recordings of UFOs now 76 00:04:16,460 --> 00:04:12,780 dr. cornet also initiated a research 77 00:04:19,580 --> 00:04:16,470 project to install passive detection and 78 00:04:21,379 --> 00:04:19,590 monitoring devices at UFO hot spots 79 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:21,389 around the United States 80 00:04:27,589 --> 00:04:24,300 dr. cornet has for 14 years experience 81 00:04:31,969 --> 00:04:27,599 in the oil industry as a senior 82 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:31,979 geologist prospect geologist and hey I'm 83 00:04:35,180 --> 00:04:33,750 not gonna pretty Heat yeah I don't even 84 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:35,190 sure how to pronounce this but what is 85 00:04:42,379 --> 00:04:39,210 this dr. Cornett paleontologist parallel 86 00:04:44,870 --> 00:04:42,389 our just Perrin ologists all right he 87 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:44,880 has four years of academic research in 88 00:04:52,189 --> 00:04:48,840 geology as a pal analogous as you said 89 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:52,199 and well psyched geologists he's the 90 00:04:59,300 --> 00:04:54,650 author and co or co-author of 21 91 00:05:02,120 --> 00:04:59,310 referred scientific papers and two books 92 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:02,130 and so dr. Cornett thank you very much 93 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:04,770 for being with us tonight on exploring 94 00:05:11,339 --> 00:05:09,310 the bizarre well thank you for having me 95 00:05:14,850 --> 00:05:11,349 I hope I can live up to your 96 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:14,860 expectations well you uh you always do 97 00:05:19,619 --> 00:05:17,110 otherwise this I this is your third time 98 00:05:23,659 --> 00:05:19,629 on the program I think is it not yes 99 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:23,669 back in March of 2017 and in November of 100 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:27,610 2018 and now there you go well you know 101 00:05:34,619 --> 00:05:33,009 I think um we should start out by let's 102 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:34,629 do what we've talked about Pine Bush 103 00:05:39,210 --> 00:05:37,150 obviously in the past but we're getting 104 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:39,220 new listeners all the time let's let's 105 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:40,990 spend the first opening a few minutes 106 00:05:48,059 --> 00:05:44,620 telling us how you got involved in the 107 00:05:50,820 --> 00:05:48,069 UFO flap there and what what it actually 108 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:50,830 constitutes because that'll kind of 109 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:54,490 morph good word right morph into your 110 00:05:59,240 --> 00:05:57,250 more recent discovery discover reason 111 00:06:02,909 --> 00:05:59,250 and what's going on there and the 112 00:06:04,890 --> 00:06:02,919 ability of these objects to change shape 113 00:06:08,129 --> 00:06:04,900 right in front of the witnesses which 114 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:08,139 some people have kind of ridiculed them 115 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:09,759 but you know I mean I know that this was 116 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:12,520 going on because we've done research of 117 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:16,150 our own which backs this up and we'll 118 00:06:19,740 --> 00:06:17,889 talk about that a little bit later on 119 00:06:24,749 --> 00:06:19,750 but we want to give you the time let's 120 00:06:28,290 --> 00:06:24,759 start back when it first started okay 121 00:06:30,769 --> 00:06:28,300 this would be 1992 that would be two 122 00:06:33,629 --> 00:06:30,779 years after my wife had died on 123 00:06:39,059 --> 00:06:33,639 unfortunately at four years old and I 124 00:06:41,730 --> 00:06:39,069 was recovering from that morning and I 125 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:41,740 was working at lamont-doherty Earth 126 00:06:47,159 --> 00:06:44,680 Observatory in Palisades New York which 127 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:47,169 is part of a Columbia University and I 128 00:06:53,490 --> 00:06:51,210 was working as a well site geologist 129 00:06:56,610 --> 00:06:53,500 describing cores that were coming out of 130 00:07:00,240 --> 00:06:56,620 seven wells in the Newark Basin in New 131 00:07:03,870 --> 00:07:00,250 Jersey and I watched this television 132 00:07:09,300 --> 00:07:03,880 program called intruders on television 133 00:07:12,089 --> 00:07:09,310 and and I was surprised that they were 134 00:07:16,260 --> 00:07:12,099 talking about alien visitations and 135 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:16,270 abductions and this was based on a book 136 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:22,990 by Budd Hopkins and dr. John Mack and so 137 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:27,670 being surprised that this type of 138 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:30,130 subject was getting prime television 139 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:32,800 time since I've never seen a show like 140 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:35,970 this you know in the early evenings I 141 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:39,730 went to the bookstore the next day or 142 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:42,910 two and asked the manager if he happened 143 00:07:47,310 --> 00:07:45,220 to have that the book intruders and he 144 00:07:49,710 --> 00:07:47,320 said yes and he took me over to the 145 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:49,720 bookshelf and put out and then he said I 146 00:07:55,380 --> 00:07:52,780 think you need to read this other book 147 00:07:58,740 --> 00:07:55,390 too and I said all right I said it's 148 00:08:01,290 --> 00:07:58,750 about the sightings here locally and it 149 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:01,300 was silent invasion by Ellen Crystal so 150 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:04,450 I purchased both books and well I 151 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:06,910 started reading silent evasion 152 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:10,630 I was literally blown away I mean this 153 00:08:15,570 --> 00:08:13,180 was about sightings that were occurring 154 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:15,580 right in my own backyard literally I 155 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:18,130 mean I was living in Middletown New York 156 00:08:24,390 --> 00:08:20,910 at the time and Ellen was seeing 157 00:08:27,660 --> 00:08:24,400 sightings all along route 2 or 4 East 158 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:27,670 going over to Montgomery and then 159 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:31,140 connecting to Route 54 to Pine Bush and 160 00:08:37,469 --> 00:08:34,120 she was describing stuff all over that 161 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:37,479 area and I said no way I haven't seen 162 00:08:43,260 --> 00:08:40,870 anything like this and most people who 163 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:43,270 are unaware that this phenomena is 164 00:08:48,980 --> 00:08:44,880 happening 165 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:48,990 wouldn't expect to look up at every 166 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:51,790 thing that flew overhead that looked 167 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:56,050 like a jet and sounded like a jet and so 168 00:09:00,870 --> 00:08:58,450 I was able to get her phone number from 169 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:00,880 some friends and I called her and asked 170 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:03,820 her about it I said hi would you take me 171 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:05,920 out into the field with you because I'd 172 00:09:12,390 --> 00:09:08,140 like to see this for myself and she said 173 00:09:14,190 --> 00:09:12,400 sure so she said tomorrow night I'm 174 00:09:16,950 --> 00:09:14,200 going to be going into the field with 175 00:09:20,340 --> 00:09:16,960 some friends and I'll stop by your place 176 00:09:25,350 --> 00:09:20,350 and pick you up well that first evening 177 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:25,360 out Tim I was I didn't know what to 178 00:09:31,380 --> 00:09:28,000 expect I mean I mean Here I am 179 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:31,390 a scientist who was educated at major 180 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:34,210 universities and was working on strictly 181 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:35,769 scientific day 182 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:39,809 and acquiring knowledge about earth and 183 00:09:47,669 --> 00:09:44,410 I was seeing these craft circling around 184 00:09:52,369 --> 00:09:47,679 us and diving into neighboring fields or 185 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:52,379 coming up out of those fields and my way 186 00:09:58,169 --> 00:09:56,410 mm-hm and you know what's going on here 187 00:10:00,419 --> 00:09:58,179 this is there's no airport nearby 188 00:10:04,259 --> 00:10:00,429 there's the Orange County Airport that 189 00:10:07,530 --> 00:10:04,269 was about maybe five six miles away then 190 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:07,540 there was the Stewart International 191 00:10:15,179 --> 00:10:11,170 Airport which was ten to fifteen miles 192 00:10:18,210 --> 00:10:15,189 away and there were no local landing 193 00:10:22,049 --> 00:10:18,220 strips and yet here were these craft I 194 00:10:24,359 --> 00:10:22,059 think one of the first ones I saw was 195 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:24,369 this set of lights that came from the 196 00:10:28,259 --> 00:10:25,809 west up over this Ridge 197 00:10:31,019 --> 00:10:28,269 we call it Thompson rich that was behind 198 00:10:35,549 --> 00:10:31,029 us we're on West ears Rail Road which 199 00:10:38,970 --> 00:10:35,559 runs north-south and it stopped right on 200 00:10:40,379 --> 00:10:38,980 top of the ridge hovering planes don't 201 00:10:43,949 --> 00:10:40,389 do this well maybe this was a helicopter 202 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:43,959 it rotated to its right and follow the 203 00:10:48,629 --> 00:10:45,730 ridge down to a beacon which the 204 00:10:50,910 --> 00:10:48,639 conventional aircraft use to align up 205 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:50,920 with the airport runway at Stewart 206 00:10:58,769 --> 00:10:54,970 Airport and then it turned to its left 207 00:11:02,009 --> 00:10:58,779 and and proceeded across the field that 208 00:11:05,609 --> 00:11:02,019 we were on the edge of then turned again 209 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:05,619 came back like opposite where we were if 210 00:11:10,319 --> 00:11:07,809 it had gone straight and hadn't stopped 211 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:10,329 it would have flown directly over us so 212 00:11:14,970 --> 00:11:12,610 we got the idea that the pilot didn't 213 00:11:18,629 --> 00:11:14,980 want to have a good look at it at his 214 00:11:21,030 --> 00:11:18,639 craft and when he got right over up over 215 00:11:23,939 --> 00:11:21,040 the field in front of us it don't doubt 216 00:11:27,059 --> 00:11:23,949 and passed the trees and it disappeared 217 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:27,069 and I mean I literally I just have yeah 218 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:29,410 okay I have one question here all right 219 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:32,410 so this was 1992 you said right through 220 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:34,660 but there had been yeah okay there had 221 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:37,569 been previous sightings in what we call 222 00:11:43,409 --> 00:11:41,970 the Hudson Valley going back to the mid 223 00:11:47,249 --> 00:11:43,419 1980s 224 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:47,259 would you consider part of the these 225 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:49,920 sightings in Pine Bush part of that flap 226 00:11:58,290 --> 00:11:54,310 yes actually was a separate flap that 227 00:12:00,420 --> 00:11:58,300 the one that Hynek and Umbro neo talked 228 00:12:04,770 --> 00:12:00,430 about in night siege happened between 229 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:04,780 1981 and 1986 and it happened further to 230 00:12:10,350 --> 00:12:07,690 the northeast over the Hudson Valley 231 00:12:12,810 --> 00:12:10,360 it's uh but we were in the wallkill 232 00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:12,820 River Valley which was to the west of 233 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:16,000 that area of no sightings although about 234 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:19,270 how many miles oh you're talking about 235 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:24,570 20 to 30 miles that's pretty darn close 236 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:27,850 yeah that's pretty close and a lot of 237 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:30,790 the those bigger classed we're seeing 238 00:12:39,030 --> 00:12:33,370 over Pine Bush too so Pine Bush was on 239 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:39,040 the margin of that slap and then the 240 00:12:46,230 --> 00:12:43,440 flap I slapped did occur when when Ellen 241 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:46,240 took me out into the field and things 242 00:12:51,450 --> 00:12:47,800 were really picking up at that 243 00:12:54,180 --> 00:12:51,460 particular time and later that same year 244 00:12:57,330 --> 00:12:54,190 in August thick there were three craft 245 00:13:00,600 --> 00:12:57,340 that were spotted coming across the 246 00:13:03,180 --> 00:13:00,610 wallkill River from the Hudson River and 247 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:03,190 we were cited by different people I had 248 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:05,610 my own personal sighting where I was in 249 00:13:12,930 --> 00:13:09,070 Middletown the conference had a sighting 250 00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:12,940 of a circular disc over their house 251 00:13:19,050 --> 00:13:16,120 halfway between us and the Hudson River 252 00:13:23,910 --> 00:13:19,060 and then Ellen crystal she was coming 253 00:13:26,670 --> 00:13:23,920 home from or up to do some sighting work 254 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:26,680 she was coming along route 17 which is 255 00:13:34,290 --> 00:13:31,080 east west and she saw this huge ship 256 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:34,300 parked over the highway she pulled off 257 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:36,190 to the side of the road and started 258 00:13:42,090 --> 00:13:39,070 videotaping it and what would 20 about 259 00:13:45,570 --> 00:13:42,100 this is it was of the size and shape of 260 00:13:48,210 --> 00:13:45,580 the Westchester boom boy and it stopped 261 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:48,220 right just west of a town in New York 262 00:13:55,170 --> 00:13:50,890 called Chester so it's just west of 263 00:13:57,330 --> 00:13:55,180 Chester New York and when we all got 264 00:14:01,560 --> 00:13:57,340 realize what was going on 265 00:14:02,970 --> 00:14:01,570 sightings television producers found out 266 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:02,980 about it and they interviewed all 267 00:14:11,009 --> 00:14:08,050 and had a honor on their show so that 268 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:11,019 was really the beginning of a whole wave 269 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:14,850 of activity that happened in 92 93 94 95 270 00:14:21,930 --> 00:14:18,910 and it started to slow down in 96 and 271 00:14:25,259 --> 00:14:21,940 then there was a little bit of a spirit 272 00:14:28,829 --> 00:14:25,269 of activity in 97 then suddenly all 273 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:28,839 activity stopped and it gradually picked 274 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:32,370 up a couple of years later so by 1999 275 00:14:41,009 --> 00:14:36,730 2000 exciting were again becoming more 276 00:14:43,410 --> 00:14:41,019 frequent yes Linda Linda Linda Zimmerman 277 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:43,420 who we've had on the program as I kept 278 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:45,060 it pretty well up-to-date on the 279 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:49,060 sightings in that entire area I mean 280 00:14:55,949 --> 00:14:52,750 she's done a great job of lecturing on 281 00:14:58,860 --> 00:14:55,959 this and writing a couple of books which 282 00:15:01,439 --> 00:14:58,870 have been they're well received and so 283 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:01,449 the probably though that you say a 284 00:15:06,569 --> 00:15:03,910 decrease in sightings but it's just 285 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:06,579 maybe because the sightings may go on 286 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:08,860 but you're not there to investigate them 287 00:15:16,199 --> 00:15:12,310 in record him and the media has seemed 288 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:16,209 to have dropped any attention to the 289 00:15:20,730 --> 00:15:18,610 subject but that is that maybe that may 290 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:20,740 pick up - you never can tell when 291 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:23,310 somebody you know like one of these new 292 00:15:28,350 --> 00:15:25,810 TV shows on the history or Travel 293 00:15:30,990 --> 00:15:28,360 Channel may decide well maybe because 294 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:31,000 we'll call them and tell them that they 295 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:32,410 ought to get their damn asses down there 296 00:15:40,590 --> 00:15:36,279 and start doing some you know serious a 297 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:40,600 field work okay now some people have 298 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:42,970 been critical of you because you claim 299 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:45,220 that the these objects is Mantaray and 300 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:48,010 these other things that you see are 301 00:15:55,290 --> 00:15:51,569 disguising themselves as ordinary 302 00:15:58,019 --> 00:15:55,300 aircraft how did you first discover that 303 00:16:03,150 --> 00:15:58,029 these UFOs were morphing and we're able 304 00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,160 to with camouflage themselves okay first 305 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:05,680 off one of the things I quickly realized 306 00:16:12,059 --> 00:16:08,290 is that many of them especially the 307 00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:12,069 triangles they had lights on them that 308 00:16:16,770 --> 00:16:15,040 resembled wingtip and navigation lights 309 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:16,780 and they had light 310 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:19,990 and I'm poles sticking out the front and 311 00:16:27,090 --> 00:16:24,370 back to simulate lights on the forward 312 00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:27,100 and back of the fuselage of conventional 313 00:16:32,730 --> 00:16:30,040 airframes and when they flew over it you 314 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:32,740 could actually see the shape of the 315 00:16:38,370 --> 00:16:34,750 craft and realized that this wasn't a 316 00:16:41,190 --> 00:16:38,380 normal airplane now as a scientist I 317 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:41,200 realized that my word was not good 318 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:43,330 enough I needed scientific data to be 319 00:16:50,730 --> 00:16:45,670 able to document what was actually going 320 00:16:55,230 --> 00:16:50,740 on and there were two major discoveries 321 00:16:57,180 --> 00:16:55,240 that completely right wiped out the idea 322 00:16:59,880 --> 00:16:57,190 that these were conventional aircraft in 323 00:17:02,520 --> 00:16:59,890 that I was just you know seeing 324 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:02,530 something in the sky that was actually a 325 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:05,890 conventional aircraft and that was that 326 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:08,770 the lights on these craft were all 327 00:17:15,450 --> 00:17:12,730 plasmus they were not lamps and my 328 00:17:17,940 --> 00:17:15,460 photographs did thousands of time 329 00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:17,950 exposures of these craft and they would 330 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:19,870 come out and plumb these performances in 331 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:22,930 front of our cameras but what 332 00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:25,690 conventional aircraft or pilots or even 333 00:17:30,110 --> 00:17:27,280 military pilots would put on 334 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:30,120 performances for people on the ground 335 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:34,170 which you know we're looking for 336 00:17:40,770 --> 00:17:38,050 sightings and I realized with the 337 00:17:43,470 --> 00:17:40,780 photographs that I I was getting that 338 00:17:46,140 --> 00:17:43,480 there was something very wrong about the 339 00:17:49,050 --> 00:17:46,150 lights especially when they would 340 00:17:52,170 --> 00:17:49,060 brighten up and typically when a 341 00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:52,180 performance began the grass would rise 342 00:17:58,620 --> 00:17:55,600 up from a farm field behind a tree row 343 00:18:02,040 --> 00:17:58,630 and start climbing as it was coming 344 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:02,050 towards us and as it was rising and and 345 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:04,000 coming towards us it would brighten its 346 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:07,090 outer two lights to the intensity of the 347 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:10,300 moon I mean they were brilliant Wow and 348 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:14,710 I can't get this on you know on film and 349 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:18,190 there was no way yes your book has 350 00:18:22,460 --> 00:18:20,890 dozens if not hundreds or more 351 00:18:25,290 --> 00:18:22,470 photographs of these things that you've 352 00:18:27,630 --> 00:18:25,300 you've taken and you know it's 353 00:18:30,450 --> 00:18:27,640 remarkable that the these objects 354 00:18:32,550 --> 00:18:30,460 seemingly have the ability to stop 355 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:32,560 hover but they also have the ability to 356 00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:37,810 fly sideways and backward yes and the 357 00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:40,420 second important discovery was smoking 358 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:43,360 gun was that I recorded the sounds of 359 00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:45,910 these and remember I came to the 360 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:47,440 conclusion in my book that they were 361 00:18:52,170 --> 00:18:49,750 trying to camouflage themselves by 362 00:18:54,060 --> 00:18:52,180 mimicking the lights and the sounds of 363 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:54,070 conventional aircraft because 364 00:19:00,300 --> 00:18:55,840 conventional aircraft were flying across 365 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:00,310 the valley all the time and so as so as 366 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:03,730 not to disturb or be recognized as 367 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:06,850 something different they created their 368 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:09,730 shapes in a way that would resemble 369 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:11,830 conventional aircraft for somebody who 370 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:14,830 was just looking up then we were 371 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:17,710 constantly being fooled by these craft 372 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:20,170 we say what is that no that's just an 373 00:19:28,020 --> 00:19:20,830 airplane 374 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:28,030 and but if I hadn't taken the video or I 375 00:19:32,190 --> 00:19:29,830 hadn't taken the time exposures I 376 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:32,200 wouldn't have had the data to be able to 377 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:35,130 prove otherwise the sounds on these 378 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:38,350 craft also were very different from that 379 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:40,870 of conventional aircraft I recorded the 380 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:43,210 sounds of conventional aircraft taking 381 00:19:47,550 --> 00:19:44,770 off at Stewart Airport and other 382 00:19:51,410 --> 00:19:47,560 airports and they have a very 383 00:19:54,750 --> 00:19:51,420 distinctive range of frequencies 384 00:19:57,060 --> 00:19:54,760 including white noise you know what 385 00:19:59,640 --> 00:19:57,070 white noise is right why don't you 386 00:20:03,210 --> 00:19:59,650 describe it to the listeners okay not no 387 00:20:05,340 --> 00:20:03,220 white noise engine noise a very 388 00:20:09,330 --> 00:20:05,350 high-pitched engine noise it's up in the 389 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:09,340 tens of thousands of kilohertz 390 00:20:19,050 --> 00:20:13,360 above the basic rumble of the engine its 391 00:20:22,170 --> 00:20:19,060 itself and the engine noise itself that 392 00:20:28,910 --> 00:20:22,180 which is down around maybe you know only 393 00:20:31,860 --> 00:20:28,920 and hundreds of killer Hertz is rarely 394 00:20:33,930 --> 00:20:31,870 broken up into individual bands I mean 395 00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:33,940 there are some different frequencies of 396 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:36,310 different parts of the turbofan engines 397 00:20:43,020 --> 00:20:39,510 that are producing independent sounds 398 00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:43,030 but the sounds that I got from these 399 00:20:48,150 --> 00:20:44,160 craft 400 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:48,160 invariably were divided up into 10 to 12 401 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:51,430 separate frequencies very discrete 402 00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:54,370 frequencies that paralleled one another 403 00:21:03,680 --> 00:20:58,930 and the second problem was that the 404 00:21:06,510 --> 00:21:03,690 sounds and frequencies dropped as the 405 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:06,520 the object was coming towards the 406 00:21:15,210 --> 00:21:11,290 microphone so and then as the the craft 407 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:15,220 moved away the frequencies increased now 408 00:21:21,810 --> 00:21:17,890 that's the exact opposite of the Doppler 409 00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:21,820 effect the Doppler effect as a sound 410 00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:23,980 source is coming towards a microphone 411 00:21:28,650 --> 00:21:26,560 the frequencies will appear to increase 412 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:28,660 because of the shortening distance and 413 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:32,140 as the sound source moves away the 414 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:36,490 frequencies will drop in pitch because 415 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:40,060 the of the increasing distance between 416 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:43,150 the source and the microphone but with 417 00:21:52,290 --> 00:21:47,470 all of these crafts without exception 418 00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:52,300 they produce what I call reverse Doppler 419 00:21:59,700 --> 00:21:55,480 and that has recently been determined to 420 00:22:02,510 --> 00:21:59,710 be an effect of these multi metamaterial 421 00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:02,520 hulls that they've been studying of 422 00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:05,470 crashed UFO 423 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:08,670 Oh material yeah okay well now reversed 424 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:12,790 okay okay that brings up a point that I 425 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:14,650 wanted to ask you about there are some 426 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:16,930 photographs in on the internet that are 427 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:19,420 connected to you that looks like a some 428 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:25,570 of this material this a something that 429 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:27,250 might have been part of a crashed UFO 430 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:30,450 and I know that you have a toriel yeah 431 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:32,410 metamaterial and I know that you've 432 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:36,010 worked with Bob Bigelow is this an alien 433 00:22:40,290 --> 00:22:38,110 artifact or some sort of physical 434 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:40,300 evidence of these sightings that you 435 00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:42,970 have in your possession I don't have any 436 00:22:47,610 --> 00:22:45,190 of this in my possession these are all 437 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:47,620 photographs that have been recovered and 438 00:22:56,660 --> 00:22:52,810 published from Japan from Roswell and 439 00:22:59,530 --> 00:22:56,670 from the well theory of England and 440 00:23:03,520 --> 00:22:59,540 they all have the same honeycomb 441 00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:03,530 internal structure that that 442 00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:05,940 distinguishes them and that is an 443 00:23:12,850 --> 00:23:08,430 amazing thing that people you know 444 00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:12,860 wonder whether or not we actually have 445 00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:15,960 alien hardware from the front of the 446 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:18,900 craft in our studying it me answer is 447 00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,750 absolutely yes all right let me 448 00:23:24,980 --> 00:23:23,280 interrupt you here because we have to go 449 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:24,990 to our bottom of the hour break when we 450 00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:26,610 come back we continue our conversation 451 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:29,820 with dr. Bruce Cornett on exploring the 452 00:23:44,780 --> 00:23:42,240 bizarre now back to exploring the 453 00:23:47,150 --> 00:23:44,790 bizarre with two of the most 454 00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:47,160 electrifying researchers in the Paranoid 455 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:56,300 now alright welcome back to exploring 456 00:24:00,410 --> 00:23:58,290 the bizarre I'm Tim Schwarz tonight we 457 00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:00,420 are talking with dr. Bruce Cornett and 458 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:03,240 Bruce before we continue our 459 00:24:10,670 --> 00:24:05,970 conversation about the metamaterials we 460 00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:10,680 have a comment from one of our listeners 461 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:15,030 named echo and echo commented that these 462 00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:19,110 these UFOs craft whatever are they're 463 00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:21,780 not flying they're moving flying your 464 00:24:27,020 --> 00:24:24,120 vessel has to produce lift and these 465 00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:27,030 things don't need to produce lift so I 466 00:24:33,650 --> 00:24:30,230 found that interesting and he echo also 467 00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:33,660 said research pink noise you'll be 468 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:35,700 surprised yes because it's pink noise 469 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:38,820 pink noise takes high-pitched noise and 470 00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:41,490 splits it what is positive the other is 471 00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:46,680 negative and it lowers the pitch so do 472 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:49,950 you have any done any research on pink 473 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:53,220 noise Bruce no in fact it's the first 474 00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:55,650 time I've ever heard of that term but 475 00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:57,750 maybe this is how the reverse Doppler is 476 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:00,780 created by the meta materials because of 477 00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:04,170 its unusual characteristics they found 478 00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,320 that the elements within the crystals 479 00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:10,559 within the meta materials many times 480 00:25:17,779 --> 00:25:13,799 what they call quasi crystals that they 481 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:17,789 are not uniformly made up of just the 482 00:25:23,419 --> 00:25:21,120 same elements as in normal crystals that 483 00:25:26,299 --> 00:25:23,429 they have from a number of different 484 00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,309 types of elements that are bonded 485 00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:29,279 together to form a crystal in a very 486 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,200 unconventional manner and the the 487 00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:36,480 interference of these atoms with 488 00:25:41,739 --> 00:25:39,980 together create the unusual 489 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:41,749 characteristics of the metamaterial 490 00:25:52,999 --> 00:25:48,809 which literally tries to to separate 491 00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:53,009 itself from our physical reality and 492 00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:56,460 that's part of the reason why these 493 00:26:01,850 --> 00:25:59,610 shifts seem to be able to disappear and 494 00:26:05,749 --> 00:26:01,860 and as if going into another dimension 495 00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:05,759 is that they literally are in a in 496 00:26:13,609 --> 00:26:09,080 internally another dimension that is not 497 00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:13,619 responding to the the physics that its 498 00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:16,470 surrounding the craft so the hole is 499 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:18,299 literally like a membrane a cell 500 00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,210 membrane that separates something very 501 00:26:25,999 --> 00:26:23,039 different inside from something from 502 00:26:29,419 --> 00:26:26,009 what we experience on the outside now 503 00:26:31,639 --> 00:26:29,429 who's who's done this this research on 504 00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:31,649 this meta material because I know that 505 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:35,700 there's been you know an effort by some 506 00:26:41,779 --> 00:26:38,129 groups recently to get a hold of meta 507 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:41,789 material but obviously somebody has 508 00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:43,710 gotten a hold of some and has done 509 00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:46,580 obviously some extensive research on it 510 00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:50,519 yes yes and and this material is also 511 00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:52,440 being fed to certain laboratories who 512 00:26:58,399 --> 00:26:54,539 are making these major breakthrough 513 00:26:59,389 --> 00:26:58,409 discoveries on materials that create 514 00:27:01,639 --> 00:26:59,399 these effects 515 00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:01,649 that's where how we discovered you know 516 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:04,799 the quasi crystals and and that the meta 517 00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:07,110 materials are composed of alternating 518 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,659 layers of different kinds of elements 519 00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:13,200 and crystals the people that you are 520 00:27:17,419 --> 00:27:14,220 referencing 521 00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,429 I mean JAXA fadi out in California it's 522 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:19,200 one of the leaders I think in 523 00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:21,450 understanding how the meta materials 524 00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:24,390 work and he's very vocal on 525 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:28,080 an email thread that I'm part of and 526 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,490 also you know how put off and Eric Davis 527 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:35,760 who were associated with Robert Bigelow 528 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:42,330 and to the stars Academy etc so you have 529 00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:47,210 these people who are sort of 530 00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:50,790 intermediate between the shadow 531 00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:54,360 government or the top secret material 532 00:28:03,010 --> 00:27:56,840 that we the government can't release and 533 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:03,020 the theoretical physicists who are using 534 00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:06,530 mathematics and and other types of 535 00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:08,760 experimentation to be able to understand 536 00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,350 how this meta material makes these 537 00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:15,600 shifts capable of doing what they're 538 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:18,720 doing so that inside the ships there 539 00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:20,910 literally is no gravity 540 00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,179 it is completely isolated from our world 541 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:27,600 and our physics that is on the outside 542 00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:31,770 and I mean I've photographed B ships 543 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:34,919 doing double right angle turns at fairly 544 00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:38,010 high speeds and as you could imagine 545 00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:40,460 that if this was a conventional aircraft 546 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:43,830 and doing that that the pilots would end 547 00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:47,610 up at grease stains on the bulkhead they 548 00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:51,020 could not survive with the g-forces and 549 00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:56,340 so and also you have I mean one report I 550 00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:59,100 saw that they were able to calculate the 551 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:01,320 speed of these craft through our 552 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:05,250 atmosphere at Mach 20 and they could 553 00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:08,220 pass through water in in the and travel 554 00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:10,679 in the oceans at hundreds of miles an 555 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,740 hour now how is this possible you know 556 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:16,080 with our physics we can't do that so 557 00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,510 something about this meta material and 558 00:29:25,159 --> 00:29:20,880 the structure of the other craft itself 559 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:25,169 and how it is powered that allows it to 560 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,490 do the impossible what we would 561 00:29:38,290 --> 00:29:34,380 understand today as we would think of it 562 00:29:42,550 --> 00:29:38,300 as just being magic when we have a 563 00:29:47,770 --> 00:29:42,560 one more comment from listener echo who 564 00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:47,780 has had against extensive experience 565 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:52,470 with in this field and the comment is 566 00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:53,130 check 567 00:30:01,910 --> 00:29:58,500 LM TAS I'll say it again LM TAS skunk 568 00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:01,920 words skunk works in reference to pink 569 00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:04,590 noise I think that's obviously something 570 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:09,630 that that you need to start start 571 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:15,390 looking into Bruce right well I don't 572 00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:18,090 know if you realize this but on the 17th 573 00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:21,630 of May 1997 this is right before the 574 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:24,870 activity that took a stop locally in the 575 00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:27,810 Pine Bush but then Michelle Christo 576 00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:31,680 Acosta who is done the surveys all 577 00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:33,390 across New York State 578 00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,540 she showed that the activity actually 579 00:30:41,780 --> 00:30:39,000 shifted to Long Island it didn't 580 00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:41,790 actually stop it just moved to Long 581 00:30:50,290 --> 00:30:45,030 Island and was no longer in the Pine 582 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:50,300 Bush area but on the 17th of May 1997 583 00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:53,850 mark Whitford his girlfriend Dinah 584 00:31:00,500 --> 00:30:57,960 Bertran and myself went to one of our 585 00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:00,510 favorite location hoping to see 586 00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,070 something that night and we didn't 587 00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:07,200 realize that we were being set up for a 588 00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:11,280 performance of and and one of the first 589 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:12,600 things that happened when we were 590 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:14,490 setting up our cameras on muddy kill 591 00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:17,310 Lane which is on the side of Thompson 592 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:21,390 bridge overlooking the valley to our 593 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:25,770 east two triangular craft flew over us 594 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:29,610 and whoa wait and I may have gotten a 595 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:32,310 picture of them as they went over 596 00:31:40,340 --> 00:31:36,570 there's my camcorder and then we became 597 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:40,350 serious realizing that there triangular 598 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:42,510 craft flying around us at that time of 599 00:31:50,170 --> 00:31:45,480 night and this is around 11 o'clock at 600 00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:50,180 night and then one of 601 00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:52,220 noticed that there was a pair of lights 602 00:32:00,160 --> 00:31:56,140 to the north over money kill lane which 603 00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:00,170 traveled north south and it was hovering 604 00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:05,270 and so we I had my camcorder sonic 605 00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:10,060 camcorder and Mark Whitford had his and 606 00:32:17,290 --> 00:32:14,150 Dyna Bertrand had a an SLR on a tripod 607 00:32:21,010 --> 00:32:17,300 and tripod she was going to take time 608 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:21,020 exposures we took video of anything that 609 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:24,530 we saw and then this pair of light 610 00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:27,050 started to move towards us and we 611 00:32:33,670 --> 00:32:31,070 started to film and record and it 612 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:33,680 started to do some stuff that was just 613 00:32:38,530 --> 00:32:36,770 impossible for a conventional aircraft I 614 00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:38,540 mean I don't know of too many 615 00:32:43,330 --> 00:32:41,600 conventional aircraft that can can 616 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:43,340 rotate their wings to they're almost 617 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:46,250 vertical to the ground and stay up in 618 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:48,890 the air but this craft was doing 619 00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,530 something similar to that and then it 620 00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:53,840 flattened out and as it got closer and 621 00:33:00,250 --> 00:32:57,070 closer it brightened one of its lights 622 00:33:00,970 --> 00:33:00,260 extremely and conventional lamps can't 623 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:00,980 do that 624 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:03,850 not that bright so we knew this was a 625 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:06,650 triangular craft but what we didn't 626 00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:10,970 realize Jim is that the government had 627 00:33:18,550 --> 00:33:14,900 given the okay to skunkworks to give us 628 00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:18,560 a performance of the tr-3b and we 629 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:22,100 recorded this flight of the tr-3b as it 630 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:26,570 came towards us then back to its left or 631 00:33:32,290 --> 00:33:29,630 our right and as it bank it continued to 632 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:32,300 roll until it was flying upside-down and 633 00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:35,210 then it rotated so that it was flying 634 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:38,150 sideways and upside down and then it 635 00:33:44,380 --> 00:33:41,780 flipped over and descended and as it 636 00:33:46,150 --> 00:33:44,390 descended it was slowing down and the 637 00:33:50,050 --> 00:33:46,160 photographs the time exposures show this 638 00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,060 clearly that it was defying gravity then 639 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:52,640 it went down into the valley and went 640 00:34:00,190 --> 00:33:55,250 behind a whole bunch of trees and tree 641 00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:00,200 rows outlining farm fields and it passed 642 00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:03,500 we got beautiful pictures of that as it 643 00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:04,160 was flying 644 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,150 sideways just treetop level so that 645 00:34:16,090 --> 00:34:12,560 performance and all of those videos and 646 00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:16,100 photographs are on one of my websites 647 00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:18,950 the Buffon website called you know 648 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:22,520 called the convention I mean more 649 00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:25,700 triangular craft in the Hudson I mean 650 00:34:32,169 --> 00:34:29,630 Wallkill River Valley and you could see 651 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:32,179 this information and I'm also going to 652 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:36,010 be showing that video that I took at the 653 00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:40,310 Rockland UFO mega conference in February 654 00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:45,980 next month and I had shown it to the 655 00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:48,590 audiences at the coffee 656 00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:52,000 11:00 a conference and the extraordinary 657 00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:54,440 technology conference in Albuquerque in 658 00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,170 August of last year and the audience was 659 00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:02,320 loved it so much that I was given an 660 00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:05,600 offer to talk and show all of my 661 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:09,470 material at the Auckland conference in 662 00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:14,560 February now you said that the craft 663 00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:16,820 gave you a performance and that 664 00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:20,150 permission was given for them to perform 665 00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,240 why do you think that permission was 666 00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:25,040 given I mean if these were very good 667 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:28,700 question yeah Wi-Fi website you'll see 668 00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:31,490 what happened I'll tell you now is that 669 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:34,190 mark Whitford is a veteran of the Navy 670 00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:41,810 and he is he still knows has many 671 00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:43,820 friends who are in active service in the 672 00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:46,760 Navy and one of his buddies in the Navy 673 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:49,220 called him and said he was relaying 674 00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:51,770 information from his superiors and this 675 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,190 information came from the Pentagon that 676 00:36:02,920 --> 00:35:57,200 you were given a an authorized 677 00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:02,930 performance by the skunkworks tr-3b so 678 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:05,870 then basically what you're saying then 679 00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:10,250 is that we're dealing not only with some 680 00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:13,870 kind of craft of unknown origins but 681 00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:17,900 man-made top-secret exotic technology 682 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:21,320 laughter as well yes they're called ATVs 683 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:24,830 and a RVs et visas extraterrestrial 684 00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:27,710 vehicles and AR visas alien reproduction 685 00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:31,880 vehicles and the the one I distinguished 686 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:35,470 the two I'm not sure if we have yet 687 00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:38,690 perfected the technology where our craft 688 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:42,470 can pass through solid rock okay 689 00:36:48,970 --> 00:36:46,730 but the ATVs can do this in when they go 690 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:48,980 to an underground base ellen crystal and 691 00:36:55,930 --> 00:36:52,370 her ten year study in that same area of 692 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:55,940 Pine Bush she noted many of the craft 693 00:37:01,120 --> 00:36:58,010 would go right straight into the ground 694 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:01,130 and one typical time she was out in the 695 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,250 field and this opening occurred at a 696 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:06,560 tunnel appeared right before her going 697 00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:09,070 into the ground it just opened up and 698 00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:12,200 warm air came out of it and then it 699 00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:17,660 closed again and so she became convinced 700 00:37:25,060 --> 00:37:21,500 that there was all of this activity was 701 00:37:27,610 --> 00:37:25,070 it was disappearing under the earth into 702 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:27,620 underground basis that's what she had 703 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:31,490 concluded in her book and when I read 704 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:35,510 that I said I can test her theory with 705 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:37,730 the proton magnetometer and I went out 706 00:37:42,490 --> 00:37:39,530 and did a 24 square mile 707 00:37:45,070 --> 00:37:42,500 magnetic survey took me three years to 708 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:45,080 complete and when I got done I was able 709 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:47,810 to document and prove that the alien 710 00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:50,810 craft were had bases underground right 711 00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:52,550 it all the way up and down the valley 712 00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,520 and all the way over into the Hudson 713 00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,400 Valley as well Hey Bruce how about the 714 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:01,280 sightings over the the cemetery there in 715 00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:03,650 the Pine Bush what's what's the 716 00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:06,380 significance of that I mean it seems odd 717 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:09,880 but we have had a lot of sightings over 718 00:38:16,510 --> 00:38:13,700 cemeteries I mean not just the one in 719 00:38:18,610 --> 00:38:16,520 Pine Bush but in quite a few other 720 00:38:23,290 --> 00:38:18,620 locations I know we've written it up in 721 00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:23,300 the UFOs deja vu a book well one of the 722 00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,190 things I found when I started my 723 00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:28,400 magnetic survey that that first day that 724 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:31,550 I had borrowed a proton magnetometer 725 00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,370 very sensitive magnetometer used for 726 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:37,760 geology I brought it from lamont-doherty 727 00:38:47,310 --> 00:38:43,130 and with permission and I was with my 728 00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:47,320 fiancee at the time and we walked along 729 00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:51,070 Route 54 between Walden and Pine Bush 730 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:54,230 that goes past this jewish cemetery 731 00:39:01,240 --> 00:38:58,490 called the Beth hillo cemetery and I was 732 00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,250 getting these spikes on the instrument 733 00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,160 that were five to ten thousand cameras 734 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:07,040 above normal and and they they would 735 00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:09,530 come every about every 10 seconds that'd 736 00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:12,260 be just bang the spike on the instrument 737 00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:15,260 of these of magnetism and I said what 738 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:19,100 the hell I thought my instrument was 739 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:23,330 malfunctioning and oh I walked on I 740 00:39:27,010 --> 00:39:24,770 continued to take measurements and 741 00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:27,020 record them but when all the way past 742 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:30,560 the cemetery up to Allard corners and 743 00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:32,570 turned it on to Albany Post and walked 744 00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:33,980 up that one for a while 745 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:36,350 taking more measurements patient them 746 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:41,530 out and I took the instrument back to 747 00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:46,130 lamont-doherty the next Monday and had 748 00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:47,420 him check it out and they said it works 749 00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:51,140 fine when I went out into the field the 750 00:39:57,850 --> 00:39:53,540 next day that would have been Tuesday or 751 00:40:01,630 --> 00:39:57,860 maybe a Monday night I almost bikes had 752 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:01,640 disappeared and but I started to use 753 00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:05,630 certain areas in my mapping I did 1,800 754 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:08,320 stations over that 24 square miles and 755 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:10,850 there are certain locations I went back 756 00:40:15,820 --> 00:40:12,650 to again and again and again in order to 757 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:15,830 get reproducible measurements or to see 758 00:40:20,530 --> 00:40:18,080 if there was any significant change in 759 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:20,540 the measurements and the one area that 760 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:23,810 keep kept on changing was right in front 761 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:26,810 of the Jewish cemetery and I went back 762 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:29,530 to this area and I was amazed at the 763 00:40:39,610 --> 00:40:31,940 every once in a while I would go back 764 00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:39,620 there and the I would get these bees ten 765 00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,470 to eleven thousand gamma a spikes every 766 00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:44,960 10 seconds again and again and again 767 00:40:49,089 --> 00:40:47,599 and again and again and again and they 768 00:40:52,810 --> 00:40:49,099 weren't stopping and I said what the 769 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:52,820 heck then I used the Grady amateur 770 00:40:58,349 --> 00:40:56,210 configuration and which has two sensors 771 00:41:01,620 --> 00:40:58,359 at the ends of a long pole and that 772 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:01,630 allowed me to determine the orientation 773 00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:06,050 of these these spikes where they are 774 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:08,900 coming from and not only was I able to 775 00:41:13,780 --> 00:41:11,180 determine that the spikes were coming 776 00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:13,790 out of a beam of energy that was coming 777 00:41:18,250 --> 00:41:15,830 out of the ground right at the edge of 778 00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:18,260 the cemetery and route 54 779 00:41:23,740 --> 00:41:20,390 but when I went behind the cemetery I 780 00:41:27,099 --> 00:41:23,750 found another location that this energy 781 00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:27,109 was coming out of the ground and I went 782 00:41:30,310 --> 00:41:28,790 to another location on the other side 783 00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:30,320 further on the other side of the 784 00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:31,940 cemetery and I found a third location 785 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:36,800 and these three places where these 786 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:39,410 spikes were coming out these magnetic 787 00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:42,050 spikes or equidistant from each other 788 00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:49,670 and they are approximately the 485 feet 789 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:53,000 apart they they were equidistant and 790 00:42:01,680 --> 00:41:56,330 formed a huge triangle which was as big 791 00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:01,690 as a football stadium and apart and I 792 00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,000 didn't I I said this is unnatural this 793 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:07,520 is not normal and I went back there 794 00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:09,770 enough times that I found that these 795 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:12,470 beams of magnetic energy were coming out 796 00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:14,690 of the ground every time the 797 00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:18,230 constellation Bootes was overhead and so 798 00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:21,920 they were signaling and then I had other 799 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:26,020 people see this beam of white light 800 00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:28,490 coming out the center between these 801 00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:33,200 three magnetic locations when at night 802 00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:35,900 and so that there was a signal beam 803 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:38,180 coming out the center of this triangle 804 00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:41,810 your area and these magnetic beams at 805 00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:46,070 the corners of the triangle and Scott's 806 00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:51,680 tried at JPL he looked at my data and he 807 00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:54,470 said that the magnetic beams are not the 808 00:42:58,450 --> 00:42:57,710 signal beams but the beam in the center 809 00:43:03,099 --> 00:42:58,460 was 810 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:03,109 by the magnetic beams to a specific 811 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:05,810 location in the sky and other words the 812 00:43:14,859 --> 00:43:10,930 if object the below ground was signaling 813 00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:14,869 what was in some distant planet space 814 00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,950 what was also interesting is that all 815 00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:20,750 sorts of paranormal activity were 816 00:43:27,550 --> 00:43:23,420 occurring above this triangular area 817 00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,560 such as it got colder during the summer 818 00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:29,839 and heat I mean the temperature will be 819 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:31,640 10 to 15 degrees colder over the 820 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:34,609 cemetery and then in the winter it would 821 00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:36,410 be warmer than the surrounding area and 822 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:40,640 snow on top of it would melt and people 823 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:42,830 also fell calm when they're standing on 824 00:43:48,579 --> 00:43:45,650 this triangular feature and I realized 825 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:48,589 that whatever it was it was below ground 826 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:51,770 embedded in solid rock it wasn't until 827 00:44:00,690 --> 00:43:54,650 the History Channel came out in November 828 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:00,700 of 2007 thanks to Bill Burns who is the 829 00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:04,880 editor of UFO magazine he convinced the 830 00:44:09,339 --> 00:44:06,920 History Channel will come out and do a 831 00:44:12,370 --> 00:44:09,349 survey and they brought a GPR 832 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:12,380 ground-penetrating radar he also brought 833 00:44:19,329 --> 00:44:15,530 their own magnet magnetic detectors and 834 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:19,339 found out that at that those at one area 835 00:44:23,980 --> 00:44:21,770 next to the front of the cemetery that 836 00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:23,990 had the where I initially saw these 837 00:44:33,550 --> 00:44:30,440 spikes there was a 1.7 Gauss measurement 838 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:33,560 they got and that netted that was 839 00:44:39,339 --> 00:44:35,150 extremely high I mean it's totally 840 00:44:41,710 --> 00:44:39,349 unnatural that the the power of these 841 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:41,720 magnetic beams are coming out of the 842 00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:44,690 ground and the ground-penetrating radar 843 00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:47,720 we cut across a corner of the triangle 844 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:50,390 we didn't go inside the cemetery but 845 00:44:59,740 --> 00:44:54,650 just outside of it and there on the the 846 00:45:02,530 --> 00:44:59,750 the the grass that came up on the 847 00:45:06,339 --> 00:45:02,540 instrument you could see a huge 848 00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:06,349 structure about nine feet below the the 849 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:09,349 ground that was not being compressed and 850 00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,970 although all the rocks sediments around 851 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:12,900 it were being compared 852 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:16,410 indicating that whatever it was is as 853 00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:19,170 old as the lock that it in tombs it and 854 00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:23,160 that Ron is Ordovician in age 420 855 00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:24,540 million years old 856 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:27,660 okay well cankle who is doing all this I 857 00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:30,450 mean what what is the origin and the 858 00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:34,020 source of this I'm telling you it's a 859 00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:37,470 triangular a mining probe that landed on 860 00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:41,700 earth when that area was covered by an 861 00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:43,619 ocean and you had these granitic 862 00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:45,510 mountains that were sticking up above 863 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:49,020 the sea level at the time and I saw more 864 00:45:52,339 --> 00:45:50,730 than one location where these signals 865 00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:52,349 are coming out of the ground in the Pine 866 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:54,390 Bush area and there are they being 867 00:46:00,400 --> 00:45:56,730 labeled a B Toma are they be are they 868 00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:00,410 being monitored by some intelligence 869 00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:03,750 well they are the beacons I think that 870 00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,140 are being picked up by a spacecraft out 871 00:46:11,809 --> 00:46:09,420 and say hey we just picked up the space 872 00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:11,819 this beacon let's go down and find out 873 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:15,150 who's sending it and that's why you have 874 00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:18,450 all of the craft coming to Pine Bush all 875 00:46:22,819 --> 00:46:20,670 right we're gonna have to wrap it up 876 00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:22,829 here so Bruce won't you let our audience 877 00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:24,990 know really quick we've only got about a 878 00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:27,569 minute left where they can find out more 879 00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:31,470 about you online if you just googled dr. 880 00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:34,619 Bruce Cornett and go to my mama's 881 00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:37,859 internet web page then you'll get links 882 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:41,520 to all my other web pages and that will 883 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:44,609 be a start also too this will be up on 884 00:46:49,819 --> 00:46:47,130 our YouTube channel we'll have some 885 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:49,829 photographs and artwork and everything 886 00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:52,530 that is involved in this and it's 887 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:55,140 wonderful to hear you talking about this 888 00:47:00,319 --> 00:46:56,730 I mean it's a great show and you're 889 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:00,329 doing some really outstanding research 890 00:47:04,789 --> 00:47:02,730 and we got to have you back on in the 891 00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,799 very near future and don't forget mr. 892 00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:07,200 UFOs secret files that's our YouTube 893 00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:10,230 channel and our book is DejaVu UFOs over 894 00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:11,670 and over again 895 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:14,700 wonderful show wonderful week thank you 896 00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:17,010 Tim Thank You Tina thank you Peter thank 897 00:47:29,339 --> 00:47:25,440 you've been listening to exploring the 898 00:47:32,609 --> 00:47:29,349 bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky and to 899 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:32,619 Swartz they're taking back the night by 900 00:47:37,499 --> 00:47:34,930 jetting non-stop across the cosmos 901 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:37,509 in search of the truly bizarre and 902 00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:40,569 totally unexplained with you as their 903 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:43,630 combined Thursday nights at 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